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Secobarbital

Also called Secobarbitone, Seconal, Quinalbarbitone, Evronal, Hypotrol

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Part of the metabolic pathway of Secobarbital. See the timeline on the metabolic highway.

Common dose · Oral50–150 mg PW
Onset15–60 minutes PW
Total6–10 hours PW
After-effects1–24 hours PW

Dosage

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Oral

SourceThresholdLightCommonStrongHeavy
PsychonautWiki20 mg PW25–50 mg PW50–150 mg PW150–300 mg PW300 mg+ PW⚠ The source's own markup is broken here, so this is how a reader of the source would see it.
TripSit–25–50 mg TS50–150 mg TS150–300 mg TS–

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Oral Light: 25-50mg Common: 50-150mg Strong: 150-300mg TS

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Duration

Route · sourceOnsetCome-upPeakOffsetTotalAfter-effects
Oral · PsychonautWiki15–60 minutes PW–4–8 hours PW2–4 hours PW6–10 hours PW1–24 hours PW

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Onset
15-30 minutes TS
Duration
6-10 hours TS
Aftereffects
1-24 hours TS

Mixing

For best safety practice, don't mix this drug with other depressants.

Why: respiratory depression. PsychonautWiki says:

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Other documented combinations

  • Depressants (1,4-Butanediol, 2-methyl-2-butanol, alcohol, barbiturates, GHB/GBL, methaqualone, opioids) - This combination can result in dangerous or even fatal levels of respiratory depression. These substances potentiate the muscle relaxation, sedation and amnesia caused by one another and can lead to unexpected loss of consciousness at high doses. There is also an increased risk of vomiting during unconsciousness and death from the resulting suffocation. If this occurs, users should try to fall asleep in the recovery position or have a friend move them into it.Secobarbital is deemed to have an increased incidence of serious adverse effects when used concurrently with other depressants than other depressants. PW⚠ PsychonautWiki lists this combination without a danger rating.
  • Dissociatives - This combination can lead to an increased risk of vomiting during unconsciousness and death from the resulting suffocation. If this occurs, users should attempt to fall asleep in the recovery position or have a friend move them into it. PW⚠ PsychonautWiki lists this combination without a danger rating.
  • Stimulants - It is unsafe to combine barbiturates with stimulants due to the risk of excessive intoxication. Stimulants decrease the sedative effect of barbiturates, which is the main factor most people consider when determining their level of intoxication. Once the stimulant wears off, the effects of barbiturates will be considerably increased, leading to intensified disinhibition as well as other effects. If combined, one should strictly limit themselves to only dosing a certain amount of barbiturates per hour. This combination can also potentially result in severe dehydration if hydration is not monitored. PW⚠ PsychonautWiki lists this combination without a danger rating.

Risks and toxicity

Secobarbital likely has moderate toxicity relative to dose. However, secobarbital is potentially lethal when mixed with depressants like alcohol or opioids. Secobarbital has a higher risk of death or serious adverse effects associated with concurrent depressant use than other drugs such as benzodiazepines. There have been studies linking the use of barbiturates, particularly phenobarbital, with the development of cancer.[3] PW⚠ The source's own markup is broken here, so this is how a reader of the source would see it.

It is strongly recommended that one use harm reduction practices when using this drug. PW

Tolerance and addiction potential

Secobarbital is extremely physically and psychologically addictive. Barbiturate withdrawal is medically serious and can potentially cause a life-threatening withdrawal syndrome that can cause seizures, psychosis, and death. Drugs that lower the seizure threshold, such as tramadol and amphetamine should be avoided during withdrawal. If an individual is addicted to a short-acting barbiturate such as secobarbital, switching to a longer acting drug such as phenobarbital may be of some benefit. PW

Tolerance will develop to the sedative-hypnotic effects of secobarbital after prolonged use. It is unknown exactly how long it takes for tolerance to reach baseline. Secobarbital presents cross-tolerance with all barbiturates, meaning that after its consumption, all barbiturates will have a reduced effect. PW

Dangerous interactions

Although many drugs are safe on their own, they can become dangerous and even life-threatening when combined with other substances. The list below contains some common potentially dangerous combinations, but may not include all of them. Certain combinations may be harmless in low doses of each but still increase the potential risk of death. Independent research should always be done to ensure that a combination of two or more substances is safe before consumption. PW

Overdose

Barbiturate overdose may occur when a barbiturate is taken in extremely heavy quantities or concurrently with other depressants. This is particularly dangerous with other GABAergic depressants such as benzodiazepines and alcohol since they work in a similar fashion but bind to distinct allosteric sites on the GABAA receptor, thus their effects potentiate one another. Benzodiazepines increase the frequency in which the chlorine ion pore opens on the GABAA receptor while barbiturates increase the duration in which they are open, meaning when both are consumed, the ion pore will open more frequently and stay open longer. Barbiturate overdose is a medical emergency that may lead to a coma, permanent brain injury or death if not treated promptly and properly. Barbiturate overdose has an increased frequency of serious adverse effects when compared to other depressants.[4] PW

Symptoms of a barbiturate overdose may include severe thought deceleration, slurred speech, confusion, delusions, respiratory depression, coma or death.[5] PW

TripSit factsheet

Avoid
All other CNS depressants. TS

Median lethal dose (LD50) in animals

Quoted from PubChem's Non-Human Toxicity Values, which come from the Hazardous Substances Data Bank (HSDB). PubChem describes them as: “Quantitative non-human toxicity values (e.g., lethal dose) for this compound. The data shown here are mostly for lab animals (e.g., rat, mouse, guinea pig, and rabbit).” and defines the “LD50 (median lethal dose, the estimated amount of a chemical expected to kill 50% of test animals in a single dose)”. PC

LD50 (as the source gives it)Reference
LD50 Rat oral 125 mg/kg /Secobarbital sodium/ PCO'Neil, M.J. (ed.). The Merck Index - An Encyclopedia of Chemicals, Drugs, and Biologicals. Whitehouse Station, NJ: Merck and Co., Inc., 2006., p. 1453 (via HSDB record 3182)
LD50 Rat iv 65 mg/kg /Seconal sodium/ PCLewis, R.J. Sr. (ed) Sax's Dangerous Properties of Industrial Materials. 11th Edition. Wiley-Interscience, Wiley & Sons, Inc. Hoboken, NJ. 2004., p. 3192 (via HSDB record 3182)
LD50 Mouse oral 267 mg/kg PCLewis, R.J. Sr. (ed) Sax's Dangerous Properties of Industrial Materials. 11th Edition. Wiley-Interscience, Wiley & Sons, Inc. Hoboken, NJ. 2004., p. 3192 (via HSDB record 3182)
LD50 Mouse ip 116 mg/kg PCLewis, R.J. Sr. (ed) Sax's Dangerous Properties of Industrial Materials. 11th Edition. Wiley-Interscience, Wiley & Sons, Inc. Hoboken, NJ. 2004., p. 3192 (via HSDB record 3182)

Testing

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Effects

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Overview

Secobarbital, also known as secobarbitone in British English and by the brand name Seconal, is a short-acting psychoactive drug of the barbiturate class which produces powerful anxiolytic, hypnotic, muscle relaxant and amnesic effects. The combination drug Tuinal has a combination of secobarbital and amobarbital. Secobarbital is used medically as a hypnotic for the short-term treatment of insomnia and as an anticonvulsant in emergency situations, such as status epilepticus. Secobarbital works in a similar fashion to benzodiazepines, however, barbiturates bind to a different and distinct allosteric site on the GABAA receptor. PW

A Barbiturate derivative that possesses all the classic effects of todays Benzodiazepines, and the old Barbiturates. It's used in the treatment of Epilepsy, short term treatment for insomnia, and a preoperative medication for anaesthesia and anxiolysis for short surgical/diagnostic/therapeutic procedures. TS

Secobarbital, sold under the brand name Seconal among others, is a short-acting barbiturate drug originally used for the treatment of insomnia. It was patented by Eli Lilly and Company in 1934 in the United States. It possesses anesthetic, anticonvulsant, anxiolytic, sedative, and hypnotic properties. In the United Kingdom, it was known as quinalbarbitone. Secobarbital is considered to be an obsolete sedative–hypnotic (sleeping pill) and has largely been replaced by the benzodiazepine family. It was widely abused, known on the street as "red devils" or "reds". Among barbiturates, secobarbital carries a particularly high risk of abuse and addiction, largely responsible for its deprecation and disuse by the 1970s.[1][2] WP

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Chemistry

Formula
C12H18N2O3 PC
CAS number
76-73-3 PC
Molar mass (g/mol)
238.28 PC
IUPAC name (computed by PubChem)
5-pentan-2-yl-5-prop-2-enyl-1,3-diazinane-2,4,6-trione PC
SMILES
CCCC(C)C1(C(=O)NC(=O)NC1=O)CC=C PC
InChIKey
KQPKPCNLIDLUMF-UHFFFAOYSA-N PC
PubChem CID
5193

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References

  1. Other Propyl-Methyl Carbinyl Allyl Barbituric Acid and its Salts
  2. Other Dembosky A. Drug Company Jacks Up Cost Of Aid-In-Dying Medication. 23 March 2016
  3. Journal / agency Friedman, G. D., Habel, L. A. Barbiturates and lung cancer: a re-evaluation. International Journal of Epidemiology. 1 June 1999. doi:10.1093/ije/28.3.375
  4. Journal / agency Twyman, R. E., Rogers, C. J., Macdonald, R. L. Differential regulation of gamma-aminobutyric acid receptor channels by diazepam and phenobarbital. Annals of Neurology. March 1989. doi:10.1002/ana.410250302
  5. Journal / agency Barbiturate intoxication and overdose: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia
  6. Harm reduction site UN Convention on Psychotropic Substances
  7. Other Branch, L. S. Consolidated federal laws of Canada, Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. 2022
  8. Other Anlage III BtMG
  9. Other Постановление Правительства РФ от 01.10.2012 N 1002 (ред. от 09.08.2019) “Об утверждении значительного, крупного и особо крупного размеров наркотических средств и психотропных веществ, а также значительного, крупного и особо крупного размеров для растений, содержащих наркотические средства или психотропные вещества, либо их частей, содержащих наркотические средства или психотропные вещества, для целей статей 228, 228.1, 229 и 229.1 Уголовного кодекса Российской Федерации” - КонсультантПлюс
  10. Other Verordnung des EDI über die Verzeichnisse der Betäubungsmittel, psychotropen Stoffe, Vorläuferstoffe und Hilfschemikalien
  11. Other Drugs penalties
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  13. Other » Seconal Sodium®. 2013-07-31
  14. Other Marathon Pharma to Focusing Exclusively on Rare Disease
  15. Other Seconal Sodium - FDA prescribing information, side effects and uses
  16. Other Drug Shortage Detail: Secobarbital Capsules

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